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Expectations from CAB Members | Reply
Hello Community,

I would like to know what are your expectations from us, the CAB members. I want to make sure that we are setting realistic expectations with the community so as to make you aware what we can and cannot do.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by callmekatootie) | Reply
Good luck to new CAB members!

As a long time member, focused in Marathon track, my main concerns are about Topcoder website and the participation level in recent competitions.

I hope we can bring back inactive members and newcomers, to increase again the level of interest, fun and competition.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by callmekatootie) | Reply
Sorry, double post.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by wleite) | Reply
I think the CABbies are not aware about the issue (they have never competed in a MM) and likely do not know how to change something in the MM track. Very likely the admins are disagree with you (things are going fine for them). IMHO you may start a discussion in the MM forum section, describe/analyze the problem (and receive confirmation from the admins side) and suggest improvements.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by alegro) | Reply
I agree that there is no Marathon member in the new team, but the website problems and inconvenients seem to affect more tracks and have been widely discussed.

About the Marathon participation level, in the last 2 years or so, I see good moves from Topcoder, like fun matches return, more sponsored matches, introduction of result submission format and the great addition of an experienced member as admin ([Jaco]).

Despite of all these actions, we still have too few competitors in most of the matches. I would say that an important part for many people was the discussions after the match, checking other solutions, etc. Due to new website, people spend less time here and many eventually gave up. Also new potential competitors found it confuse and most of them don't go further enough to learn about MM...

I will follow your suggestion and start a thread in MM forum so we can give ideas of practical actions that can help improving the track.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by alegro) | Reply
@alegro Noted. We will make sure that concerns of the participants in Marathon Match track are also communicated to topcoder.

@wleite: Thanks. I feel you will be able to communicate better with scott_wu than anybody else on the current CAB but feel free to get in touch with any feedback you have.

@Others Is there anything else expected of us?
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by callmekatootie) | Reply
Help in bringing back DR or other such bonus programs!! It's one of the main point I considered before voting for CAB.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by hi4sandy) | Reply
Thank you for bringing that up.

This is something we CANNOT do. As in, we can only inform topcoder that DR in either its past form or a new form is being requested for by the community.

It is still topcoder's decision whether to bring it back or not. We, on our part, will let them know about it.

That is one expectation that I wanted to make sure the community understands and how CAB plays a role in that decision.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by callmekatootie) | Reply
> we can only inform topcoder that DR in either its past form or a new form is being requested for by the community ... That is one expectation that I wanted to make sure the community understands and how CAB plays a role in that decision.

Do you understand CAB role correctly? You are our strong voice rather than an old broken phone.

"The CAB has early access to upcoming features and meets with staff to brainstorm and speak for the community. The goal is to ensure the community has a strong voice about the future of Topcoder."
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by alegro) | Reply
I believe callmekatootie is fair in saying that he will be informing us of what the community is wanting and the level of importance it is.

@alegro: you may be misinterpreting "strong voice" to mean aggressive, which I hope you don't. In the monthly meetings that CAB and the Topcoder Team have, we go around the table and have the CABbies bring up what they have been hearing around the community. The Topcoder Team then explains if there is already action being placed on that issue in detail and if not, will discuss why we won't be continuing. Either way, it is then communicated back to the community by the CAB members.

Let it be known that we take all CAB input very seriously and we know they represent the entire community, which is why their voice is "strong".

~NC
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by nick.castillo) | Reply
I prefer to see an answer like the following
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Cancelling of the DR program was actively discussed here, I do not think that we able to change something, Topcoder's decision is final.

(a) [answer of a careful person]
When suggestions for other bonus programs will appear we will definitely discuss them with the staff and community.

(b) [answer of a careful person that does think about improvements]
Suggestions about other bonus programs still not sounded. We will ask the staff about their requirements to the programs and inform community to give food for thinking.
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rather than rejection of discussion (you have mentioned this process as "will discuss why we won't be continuing") even of a things that are not sounded at present time.

To me the strong voice was thorough representation of needs of the community in discussions. After reading of your comment I think it is my mistake, your strong voice is something different.

I have one question that is irrelevant to the topic. Do admins vote (press +/-) on forum posts or no?
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by alegro) | Reply
Admins do have the ability to vote, yes.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by nick.castillo) | Reply
I asked about different thing. I will try to formulate in other words. Have admins a rule to not vote?
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by alegro) | Reply
There is no rule saying admins cannot vote.
Re: Expectations from CAB Members (response to post by wleite) | Reply
I agree that there is no Marathon member in the new team, but the website problems and inconvenients seem to affect more tracks and have been widely discussed.

Even though I never participated in Marathon competitions, I always remained as a spectator. Also in many SRMs I am always around to see the questions, the members that competed, the winners etc. It seems to be getting some hope the last few SRMs, but generally the number of participants is way small to what has been a few years back. I think the effect of participation in SRMs navigated to Marathon as well (assuming). As a member I feel bad about all that, because from what I can read from past forums the algorithm side has been such a unique community with so much passion.

If I do a personal estimation the following factors have affected the algorithm competitions. Well, I am just guessing, please don't get me wrong.

1. Bad Website experience (50%)
2. Constant Arena failures (20%)
3. Decline of forum use (for supporting new members and for discussing algorithm problems) (5%)
4. Lack of attention to algorithm competitors (Topcoder seems to be much about development and design) (10%)
5. Some problems with problems (there were times fun Marathons were scarce and SRMs were not 4 per month - and some people also say problems at SRMs are becoming rather difficult) (10%)
6. Discontinued SRM notifications (4% :))
7. (Always leave space for uncertainties)

Mimino has said it all some time in the past.

5 and 6 seem to be getting fine. I haven't heard about the problem 2 in a while. 1 is still a mountain but my gut tells me they are working hard. But they have to go a bit farther to win back the user base that is lost. In that process, website has to be organized. Algorithm content in the website and in forums may have to be very organized to make it attractive for new users. We at CAB, will try to constantly voice these.
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