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interesting put down pitches | Reply
Being going through a lot of internship interviews lately. As you know, one of the jobs of an interviewer is to sell the position to you. He'll need to beat the likes of Google and Microsoft to get the top candidates. Here are some of the put-down pitches they've used aiming at taking a jab at MS and Google:

If you like going around on scooters, go work for MS.
Google won't make you rich, but [finance] will.
We won't ask you to write UIs for MS word all day.

Feel free to contribute. I find some of them pretty funny in general. Especially when I was pitched the first line above, I smiled a little but he kept a straight face, which was funny as hell.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by bugzpodder) | Reply
Heh, some of those statements seem a little "sour grapes" to me.

I think it's entertaining to see people riding on scooters indoors at Microsoft. And while some people are nice enough to let you take a turn on theirs, I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement.

Google has already made some people rich.

I have never "written UIs for MS word", but I have written UIs for MS Access for a year, and I thought it was fun :-)

So I'm guessing they don't say things like, "If you don't want to pay medical bills, go work for MS"?
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by bugzpodder) | Reply
I am a big fan of riding the scooters in the Google New York office as well.

I am very happy with my compensation at Google, but really, if you want to work for money, I would recommend you go to a finance company. If you want to work somewhere you'd enjoy and still be sure to have a very comfortable salary, I think tech companies are the place to be.

At Google, engineers are the life blood. At finance companies, they are expenses.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by rrenaud) | Reply
Do you know any finance company that pay $1.000.000+ over 3-4 years in stocks bonus ?

Google was like this several years ago. Not now.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by TAG) | Reply
TAG...actually, we do work with finance companies where you can make that kind of money. Drop me an email at kkittle@topcoder.com if you'd like to discuss it further.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by rrenaud) | Reply
Just to chime in here... Some finance companies are very different in their view of technical talent, and see them much more of revenue generators than an "expense." Speaking from personal experience, Topcoder has placed several people in the financial arena in the past, with salaries and guaranteed bonuses well over what you might expect from many tech companies. Amounts well over $200,000 are routinely offered in the financials industry to hard technical and mathematics people, and after all bonuses many in the industry make over $500,000 a year. And these numbers aren't for the CIO or the CEO, they are for the heavy algorithm based CS and Mathematics people who are the "engine" that makes the company money.

And in case you're wondering, Topcoder has several openings right now in this particular industry, all with extremely attractive salaries and really, really challenging algorithmic based programming problems.

The financials world is very tight lipped about their compensation packages, but if you do a internet search on "quantitative analysis" you'll probably come up with some ball park numbers.

Another way to find out more is to contact your friendly Topcoder Placement agent and ask them directly about our clients in the Financials industry, Just in case you don't know... your friendly Topcoder Placement agents are:

Katie Kittle at kkittle@topcoder.com
Kevin Clune at kclune@topcoder.com
and Brian Flood at bflood@topcoder.com
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by harvey6ft) | Reply
Well... After this posting it will be hard job for you to find people working for less then $500K ;-)

I wish I was PhD in quantitative analysis (just imagine paycheck for PhD, then BS/MS earn that much). But I'm not :-(

Edit: minor clarification
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by TAG) | Reply
Just to clarify.... when these companies come to Topcoder to find talent, they don't look for Ph.D's in quantitative analysis. They look for TC member with scores over 1600 - 1700. We've placed one several people with just a Bachelor's degree, and one person who hasn't yet graduated from college!
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by TAG) | Reply
Just to clarify.... when these companies come to Topcoder to find talent, they don't look for Ph.D's in quantitative analysis. They look for TC member with scores over 1600 - 1700. We've placed one several people with just a Bachelor's degree, and one person who hasn't yet graduated from college!
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by harvey6ft) | Reply
We've placed [...] one person who hasn't yet graduated from college!
Let me guess who that was: ZorbaTHut, the person who figured out DP during an SRM in 16 minutes and 42 seconds?
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by harvey6ft) | Reply
Just curious, are you talking about first year compensation, or after some time in the company?

About placement service: I tried contacting you guys using service@topcoder (there was no information on the website how to do that directly) two months ago, with no luck. I guess there are some things you could still work on.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by harvey6ft) | Reply
Careful though, the compensation packages for financial companies are often composed of very low bases (like $50-75k) with very high bonuses (like $150-250k), which are not guaranteed.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by dplass) | Reply
This is definitely not the case with the companies that we are currently working with. Base salaries are substantial and, most times, bonuses are both substantial and guaranteed.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by Krzysan) | Reply
I'm not sure what happened with your email, but you can email me directly and I'll be sure that someone responds to you quickly.
Re: interesting put down pitches (response to post by mbnd96) | Reply
It's too late to get H1B visa in time if one starts interviewing that late, but thanks.
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